Well there are swings that look strong and then their are swings that are strong. Shown is the Metal Works swing shown holding over 800 lbs of concrete. We don't even see any sag! So before you say, they don't make them like they used to you really should check out this swing line. They carry the best selling Traditional style and several wildlife themes like a deer, hummingbird, and a turkey. The finish options include black, bronze, and white. No one else sells a white swing. And didn't we mention they are 5 feet in length and will comfortable seat three adults.